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]]> Comment on Hallelujah by Xavier http://redwordschurch.com/2011/10/02/hallelujah/#comment-187 Xavier Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:41:18 +0000 http://redwordschurch.com/?p=572#comment-187 Steve <blockquote>If I were advocating salvation on the condition of “singing” as you put it, how come I’ve never defined/preached/taught “praise/worship” as salvific?</blockquote> That's how it came across to us in this particular sermon. As I have quoted you. I guess we will agree to disagree on what the Bible means by "praise/worship" and the Hebraic practice thereof. Which to us is NOT to admonish people into taking up a musical instrument or dancing/clapping & singing in Church or in your room every day. Again, I would point to not only the example of Jesus and his Apostles in the NT but in the Hebraic culture/understanding of 2nd Temple Judaism where STUDY was the HIGHEST FORM OF WORSHIP. See <i>Talmud Torah Lishma</i>. Steve

If I were advocating salvation on the condition of “singing” as you put it, how come I’ve never defined/preached/taught “praise/worship” as salvific?

That’s how it came across to us in this particular sermon. As I have quoted you.

I guess we will agree to disagree on what the Bible means by “praise/worship” and the Hebraic practice thereof. Which to us is NOT to admonish people into taking up a musical instrument or dancing/clapping & singing in Church or in your room every day.

Again, I would point to not only the example of Jesus and his Apostles in the NT but in the Hebraic culture/understanding of 2nd Temple Judaism where STUDY was the HIGHEST FORM OF WORSHIP. See Talmud Torah Lishma.

]]> Comment on Hallelujah by Steve Katsaras http://redwordschurch.com/2011/10/02/hallelujah/#comment-186 Steve Katsaras Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:03:34 +0000 http://redwordschurch.com/?p=572#comment-186 @Vicki, amen sister, wonderful point about David. @Xavier, to clarify my quote to you, it is everything I have been explaining in my previous comments - if Christians are unable to praise God today, how will they join in when they arrive at that time? It's a fair question to be asked. If I were advocating salvation on the condition of "singing" as you put it, how come I've never defined/preached/taught "praise/worship" as salvific? Again, I or any of us do not want to be unbalanced, but in speaking about the <b>particular</b> aspect of <b>Hallelujah</b> God commands His people to make praising Him part of our culture, both privately and publicly. The sermon was intended to speak for those who have not been. Hope this helps. @Vicki, amen sister, wonderful point about David.
@Xavier, to clarify my quote to you, it is everything I have been explaining in my previous comments – if Christians are unable to praise God today, how will they join in when they arrive at that time? It’s a fair question to be asked. If I were advocating salvation on the condition of “singing” as you put it, how come I’ve never defined/preached/taught “praise/worship” as salvific?

Again, I or any of us do not want to be unbalanced, but in speaking about the particular aspect of Hallelujah God commands His people to make praising Him part of our culture, both privately and publicly. The sermon was intended to speak for those who have not been. Hope this helps.

]]> Comment on Antidote To Sin by Vicki Katsaras http://redwordschurch.com/2011/09/18/antidote-to-sin/#comment-185 Vicki Katsaras Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:45:13 +0000 http://redwordschurch.com/?p=505#comment-185 I loved your message on Antidote to sin; Scripture says we are to have the mind of Christ and to keep our mind on things above not on things of this world; if our thoughts are worldly it will produce carnal lives, but if our thoughts are Godly it will produce spiritual life. It's a spiritual law, we reap what we sow, and if we allow our minds to wander on unspiritual thoughts they will enter the heart and in turn defile us, as Jesus said out of the heart comes evil thoughts etc... "Solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil". Heb 5:14. I loved your message on Antidote to sin; Scripture says we are to have the mind of Christ and to keep our mind on things above not on things of this world; if our thoughts are worldly it will produce carnal lives, but if our thoughts are Godly it will produce spiritual life. It’s a spiritual law, we reap what we sow, and if we allow our minds to wander on unspiritual thoughts they will enter the heart and in turn defile us, as Jesus said out of the heart comes evil thoughts etc… “Solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil”. Heb 5:14.

]]> Comment on Hallelujah by Xavier http://redwordschurch.com/2011/10/02/hallelujah/#comment-184 Xavier Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:38:18 +0000 http://redwordschurch.com/?p=572#comment-184 Bro You note the scene in Revelation where the saints are "praising" [i.e, signing & playing instruments] God and said... <blockquote>...their singing the praises of God...are you part of that multitude...do you believe you're there?...if you can't do it now you ain't gonna be there to do it then.</blockquote> So how is this not an admonishment to the people to play an instrument and sing now or else? i.e., your salvation is at stake. Or am I not hearing properly again? Bro

You note the scene in Revelation where the saints are “praising” [i.e, signing & playing instruments] God and said…

…their singing the praises of God…are you part of that multitude…do you believe you’re there?…if you can’t do it now you ain’t gonna be there to do it then.

So how is this not an admonishment to the people to play an instrument and sing now or else? i.e., your salvation is at stake. Or am I not hearing properly again?

]]> Comment on Hallelujah by Vicki Katsaras http://redwordschurch.com/2011/10/02/hallelujah/#comment-183 Vicki Katsaras Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:14:27 +0000 http://redwordschurch.com/?p=572#comment-183 Hi Steve, Thank you for your wonderful message on Hallelujah; Our God deserves nothing less, we are to worship and praise HIM sing and dance and clap our hands to him as the spirit of our Lord moves us; as King David (a man after God's heart) is our perfect example in the psalms, teaches us how to worship our God, how to extol Him and magnify His name for all His goodness. 2 Sam 6:14 - David, wearing a linen ephod, danced before the LORD with all his might, without a care of what other's thought of him. Of course if our lives are not a living sacrifice and we are compromising we will find it difficult to praise, sing, & worship God. Hi Steve,
Thank you for your wonderful message on Hallelujah; Our God deserves nothing less, we are to worship and praise HIM sing and dance and clap our hands to him as the spirit of our Lord moves us; as King David (a man after God’s heart) is our perfect example in the psalms, teaches us how to worship our God, how to extol Him and magnify His name for all His goodness. 2 Sam 6:14 – David, wearing a linen ephod, danced before the LORD with all his might, without a care of what other’s thought of him. Of course if our lives are not a living sacrifice and we are compromising we will find it difficult to praise, sing, & worship God.

]]> Comment on Hallelujah by Steve Katsaras http://redwordschurch.com/2011/10/02/hallelujah/#comment-182 Steve Katsaras Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:39:49 +0000 http://redwordschurch.com/?p=572#comment-182 The intent was not to command "singing or else" - I think perhaps you're missing the heart of the message. Psalm 149 encourages praise (ie. singing, extolling, admiring God), something that is perhaps missing from the lives of some Christians. I've been in meetings over the years where some Christians never sing - at all - and they've been in praise/worship sessions for years. I agree, our lives are also a very big, if not important factor before God, but herein this message, my focus is on a particular aspect. I don't think saying "blanket statements" and "generalizing the subject" is quite an accurate assertion. Hope this helps you to understand my perspective. The intent was not to command “singing or else” – I think perhaps you’re missing the heart of the message. Psalm 149 encourages praise (ie. singing, extolling, admiring God), something that is perhaps missing from the lives of some Christians. I’ve been in meetings over the years where some Christians never sing – at all – and they’ve been in praise/worship sessions for years. I agree, our lives are also a very big, if not important factor before God, but herein this message, my focus is on a particular aspect. I don’t think saying “blanket statements” and “generalizing the subject” is quite an accurate assertion. Hope this helps you to understand my perspective.

]]> Comment on Hallelujah by Xavier http://redwordschurch.com/2011/10/02/hallelujah/#comment-181 Xavier Mon, 10 Oct 2011 02:40:55 +0000 http://redwordschurch.com/?p=572#comment-181 Steve K Of course YHWH God and His Son command us to "worship & praise" them but when you teach from one scriptural source and make blanket statements such as the ones you made in this preaching, they could come across as generalizing the subject of "praise/worship", i.e., you should sing, play and clap more in church or else. The fact remains, we should strive in our daily life [public, private] to praise/worship our God and His Son not ONLY by these things but by our way of life. If anything, I see Jesus spending most of his time in private prayer to his God than "singing or playing instruments" to Him. Steve K

Of course YHWH God and His Son command us to “worship & praise” them but when you teach from one scriptural source and make blanket statements such as the ones you made in this preaching, they could come across as generalizing the subject of “praise/worship”, i.e., you should sing, play and clap more in church or else.

The fact remains, we should strive in our daily life [public, private] to praise/worship our God and His Son not ONLY by these things but by our way of life. If anything, I see Jesus spending most of his time in private prayer to his God than “singing or playing instruments” to Him.

]]> Comment on Antidote To Sin by Xavier http://redwordschurch.com/2011/09/18/antidote-to-sin/#comment-180 Xavier Mon, 10 Oct 2011 02:34:41 +0000 http://redwordschurch.com/?p=505#comment-180 Steve K Persuant to this topic, many attribute [falsely, I think] the saying to Jesus that no one can be righteous and keep Torah. Yet, the other day while reading Luke, Simeon is described as being "righteous & devout". Same with people like Job & Nathaniel. Steve K

Persuant to this topic, many attribute [falsely, I think] the saying to Jesus that no one can be righteous and keep Torah. Yet, the other day while reading Luke, Simeon is described as being “righteous & devout”. Same with people like Job & Nathaniel.

]]> Comment on Hallelujah by Steve Katsaras http://redwordschurch.com/2011/10/02/hallelujah/#comment-179 Steve Katsaras Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:38:02 +0000 http://redwordschurch.com/?p=572#comment-179 Hi bro, In the context of Psalm 149, yes praising here referred to singing, dancing, playing an instrument - all of this are expressions of our love, appreciation for God's goodness, achievements, works and words. So to praise God is to speak well of Him, to admire Him and to extol Him - typically that was done in music/song. The end of my sermon was not implying a loss of salvation - we know that cannot happen if you're not "happy/clappy" but simply giving a reality check that if you cannot praise God today, here - how do you believe you will be doing it there? But to clarify, I am not advocating "happy/clappy" mentality - but a praiseworthy attitude toward our Maker. I think He's deserving of it - from us, wouldn't you say? Hi bro,
In the context of Psalm 149, yes praising here referred to singing, dancing, playing an instrument – all of this are expressions of our love, appreciation for God’s goodness, achievements, works and words. So to praise God is to speak well of Him, to admire Him and to extol Him – typically that was done in music/song.
The end of my sermon was not implying a loss of salvation – we know that cannot happen if you’re not “happy/clappy” but simply giving a reality check that if you cannot praise God today, here – how do you believe you will be doing it there? But to clarify, I am not advocating “happy/clappy” mentality – but a praiseworthy attitude toward our Maker. I think He’s deserving of it – from us, wouldn’t you say?

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